tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5846567313402731847.post8242033584314054908..comments2024-01-08T12:37:24.482-08:00Comments on Living Armstrongism: The God FamilyRedfox712http://www.blogger.com/profile/17734930967002040931noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5846567313402731847.post-4432268493272046352009-05-20T02:02:43.826-07:002009-05-20T02:02:43.826-07:00Thanks xHWA- It seems to me it's far better to tal...Thanks xHWA- It seems to me it's far better to talk than to fight.<br /><br />Doing that you often find there is no reason to fight anyway!Questerukhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06659962107808147107noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5846567313402731847.post-10328540523525063192009-05-19T11:45:00.000-07:002009-05-19T11:45:00.000-07:00I think that Q even discussing these things with u...I think that Q even discussing these things with us former members, in defiance of most tradition and even probably a few set rules, and without resorting to calling us deceived or ignorant or lost etc, etc is certainly a testament to Q. It's a good thing to see.xHWAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01061716053302210598noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5846567313402731847.post-69917387279289104502009-05-18T17:59:00.000-07:002009-05-18T17:59:00.000-07:00"what they have made freely available to the publi..."what they have made freely available to the public". Urgh. I can't preview properly in this comment format with Firefox.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5846567313402731847.post-62795082720553216902009-05-18T17:53:00.000-07:002009-05-18T17:53:00.000-07:00Hi Q,
It's nice that you haven't changed your pro...Hi Q,<br /><br />It's nice that you haven't changed your progressive stance --- although it seems to me you have been a bit more on the defensive, WRT major doctrines of the church. That said, I could be wrong.<br /><br />As for UCG, well, hmm I dunno. Based on what I can see (which is what freely available to public; what is said behind "closed doors" of the Sabbath services may be even more conservative, or it may be less --- as you say, I have no way of knowing that), what I can see looks very much like the church I remember. I am sure you can understand why this is, in my opinion, not a good thing.<br /><br />I fear we shall have to agree to disagree on the liberal/conservative status of UCG. But please don't let that stop you from hanging around ISA. Hell, you can even comment just to give me grief for ragging on UCG too much! :-)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5846567313402731847.post-86991383044377854442009-05-18T17:52:00.000-07:002009-05-18T17:52:00.000-07:00Hi Q,
It's nice that you haven't changed your pro...Hi Q,<br /><br />It's nice that you haven't changed your progressive stance --- although it seems to me you have been a bit more on the defensive, WRT major doctrines of the church. That said, I could be wrong.<br /><br />As for UCG, well, hmm I dunno. Based on what I can see (which is what freely available to public; what is said behind "closed doors" of the Sabbath services may be even more conservative, or it may be less --- as you say, I have no way of knowing that), what I can see looks very much like the church I remember. I am sure you can understand why this is, in my opinion, not a good thing.<br /><br />I fear we shall have to agree to disagree on the liberal/conservative status of UCG. But please don't let that stop you from hanging around ISA. Hell, you can even comment just to give me grief for ragging on UCG too much! :-)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5846567313402731847.post-22870671858469176382009-05-18T17:28:00.000-07:002009-05-18T17:28:00.000-07:00Hi Aggie,
That’s nice that you were worrying abo...Hi Aggie, <br /><br />That’s nice that you were worrying about me, thanks for your concern. Hope Redfox doesn’t mind us using his blog to talk!<br /><br />Nothings changed actually. Everyone is still an equal human being; the world would still be a better place if people would live-and-let-live.<br /><br />I have been a bit busy lately, and spent less time on these blogs, that's all. A bit on ABD and a bit here. That’s the problem of having a life!<br /><br />If I was ‘progressive’ before, I am ‘progressive’ now too. Why do you think I am posting on these blogs if I don’t want a two way dialogue? And don’t worry, I will continue to post on ISA as and when. You’ve not seen the last of me!<br /><br />Incidentally, you seem to have gone a bit overboard yourself on UCG just lately. I say again, they are not THAT bad you know. (But of course you probably don’t know!).<br /><br />And by the way, I don’t do smokescreens.Questerukhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06659962107808147107noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5846567313402731847.post-65638688139148620862009-05-18T10:33:00.000-07:002009-05-18T10:33:00.000-07:00By the way, Q, I notice your last little bit of ac...By the way, Q, I notice your last little bit of activity on the ex-Church of God blogosphere has been very defensive of Armstrongism and its core doctrine as of late. <br /><br />What happened to your progressive live-and-let-live mindset?? Where is your desire to have a two-way dialog with others who believe differently than you? Have you been "reconverted" by some event? Have you been counseled by a minister? Found a passage in the Bible that re-confirms what you were starting to question?<br /><br />Or were your protestations that UCG was not all that bad, only really a smokescreen for the rumours that were "leaked" in the wake of the they're-not-really-changing-at-all-as-a-matter-of-fact-they're-just-as-bad-as-WCG-ever-used-to-be realization everyone had, thanks to the bad publicity garnered by the promotion of the CoE GCE as potentially stirring up "winds of change"?<br /><br />Or have you jumped ship for the Packatollah's crowd?<br /><br />C'mon, Q, inquiring minds are worried for you. :-(Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5846567313402731847.post-80501871122495238132009-05-18T10:25:00.000-07:002009-05-18T10:25:00.000-07:00"The destiny of all mankind as part of the God fam..."The destiny of all mankind as part of the God family is only a problem if you believe the doctrine of the Trinity."<br /><br />No, "the destiny of all mankind as part of the god family" is only a problem if you have a problem with a kingdom of god that A) Has been coming "in this generation" for over 2000 years now and B) Sets up 144K of "god's special chosen elect" to be Old Testament overlords over the rest of us, who have to start adhering to a cherry-picked version of a few of the Judaic laws, for all eternity.<br /><br />Where's the line-up for the diving plank to the Lake of Fire? I'd rather a quick "second death", than life lived like that <EM>in perpetuity</EM> thanks.<br /><br />(But then, I'm coming up in the Third Rez anyway, so it's all a moot point.)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5846567313402731847.post-35909021011330323352009-05-17T20:43:00.000-07:002009-05-17T20:43:00.000-07:00How is this some sort of elitist doctrine, if this...How is this some sort of elitist doctrine, if this is the potential destiny of every individual on the planet? It puts everyone on the same level.<br /><br />The destiny of all mankind as part of the God family is only a problem if you believe the doctrine of the Trinity. <br /><br />The Trinity in effect teaches a closed triune Godhead, with no possibility of sharing with others. If it were true, the belief of becoming part of the God family would indeed have problems. <br /><br />Professing a belief in the Trinity is required for any group to be accepted as Christian by all the ‘conventional’ and evangelical Christian groups. No other option is permitted to except to be a card carrying Trinitarian - anything else, and you are not a Christian. <br /><br />The scriptures you quote in Isaiah really don’t make the case at all.<br /><br />Isaiah 42:8: "I am the Lord: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images."<br /><br />This is clearly talking about ‘another god’, a strange god, an idol, and that the glory that is due to God’s name should not be given to some graven image. Do you suppose that the statement prevented God giving His glory to the risen Jesus Christ? <br /><br />The other verses in Isaiah are broadly similar in context. <br /><br />However John says:-<br /><br />Jn 3:1 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not. <br /><br />1Jn 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. <br /><br />Obviously the Creator God had no beginning, and His sons WILL have a beginning. In that sense they would not be like God, in the same way as with physical parents – there was a time the parents existed before their physical children existed. This is obvious, and it is also obvious that this in no way means that their children are not their children.<br /><br />The scriptures say :-<br /><br />……………..and I will receive you. <br />2Co 6:18 And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty. <br /><br />But you are suggesting that it is not possible for God Himself to have children. This flies in the face of scripture.Questerukhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06659962107808147107noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5846567313402731847.post-78617280017982636432009-05-17T07:19:00.000-07:002009-05-17T07:19:00.000-07:00"Why should we believe this unsupportable and elit...<EM>"Why should we believe this unsupportable and elitist doctrine?"</EM><STRONG><A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thought_Reform_and_the_Psychology_of_Totalism:_A_Study_of_%22Brainwashing%22_in_China" REL="nofollow">Sacred Science:</A></STRONG> "The group's doctrine or ideology is considered to be the ultimate Truth, beyond all questioning or dispute. Truth is not to be found outside the group. The leader, as the spokesperson for God or for all humanity, is likewise above criticism."<br /><br />Well, that, it feels pretty special to be one of "god's chosen people". :-(Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com