Just finished reading the Mueller report. What a stunning read. While much contained in the report has been reported before it is still mesmerizing to it all detailed in one report.
Most memorable is the introduction to Volume 2 (pp.1-2. PDF pp. 213-4.) which explained that, to put it in laymen's terms, if Trump was not President he would have been indicted for obstruction of justice.
Mueller chose to abide by a policy of the Office of Legal Counsel to not charge the President. Because of this policy Mueller could not indict the President. So he never accuses the President of obstructing justice in the report. Nevertheless to those who read the report it is quite evident that the Special Counsel appears to be persuaded that the President obstructed justice.
The report also seems to propose that, since Mueller cannot charge the President, therefore Congress must address this criminal matter since it is a separate branch of government which is responsible for writing the laws of the United States of America.
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Is it like "the president did not obstruct justice since those working for him did not act on his words"?
ReplyDeleteCongress represents the People and therefore reflects that will and cohesion in the Laws of the Union.
It is a thin thread to walk, decide and judge since all the players in this game, called representative democracy are elected by that same People.
It's like a Jury decision. The main reason of a jury is not to exact justice. The main reason for a jury is to decide if "peers" find reason to differ from the established law, or what a professor at law would decide in the matter brought before them.
Thats why OJ got free. Because "Peers" decided to have the matter run differently for reasons that mattered to them.
We will see wbat matters to "the representatives of the people."
Nck
Bullshit Redfox.
ReplyDeletehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRPn06VovvE
Opinionated, READ the report. For me, the most troubling portion of the report was the extent to which Russia interfered in the 2016 election. Volume 1 outlines how the Trump campaign colluded with the Russians, but qualifies all of this with the fact that they could not find enough evidence to charge anyone on the Trump side with a criminal conspiracy. Volume 2 clearly outlines a number of instances of obstruction of justice - which continues up to the present day! Make America Great Again - Dump Trump!
ReplyDeleteIt is said that Trump lied 10.000 times in public since election.......
ReplyDeleteOr in his own words......"I lied a million, no I lied 1,5 million times......
nck
obstruction of justice, like Hillary and the wiping of her servers huh?
ReplyDeleteHillary isn't the president! She isn't the one who took an oath to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution and whose job description requires him to "take care that the laws be faithfully executed." In other words, what in the hell has Hillary got to do with this? Short answer, NOTHING!
ReplyDeleteThere are 2 standards here. Hillary was secretary of state and nothing happened for her crimes. I expect the same for DT.
ReplyDeleteI will not tolerate double standards. I take no sides because the situation in the USA is hopeless. Most of the former acogers are liberal and that is fine, but don't start following men again. You can't be that fucking stupid.
So, everyone should be judged by the same standard - including Trump? And what is that standard?
DeleteWhen you break the law you have to pay for it. Got a problem with that?
ReplyDeleteHasn't Trump broken the law?
ReplyDeleteOnly by the witness himself do we have his "word" that DT broke the law. Muller could never get a conviction on this.
ReplyDeleteBack to the stable. The rule of law applies to all. Hillary needs to be prosecuted like Brennen and clapper among a few others. If they are not prosecuted then neither should DT. Let's have some "equal" standards here.
Well, that makes sense. No one should ever be prosecuted again! Sounds like you're in the bag for Trump.
DeleteNo, not in the bag. I am really a person who thinks for himself. Hatred does little for me. I have or am learning to master my emotions. I have been at this for over a decade and it is liberating. I know longer am enslaved like my fellow man who make up meaningless shit to live their lives by.
DeleteThe rule of law should stand for all. Do you agree or disagree?
No one should be above the law - especially in a democratic republic. I'm glad that you have eschewed hatred. Unfortunately, Trump and many of his supporters have NOT - they thrive on it.
DeleteStandards (like laws) are meant to distinguish between that which is acceptable (good) and that which is unacceptable (bad). If we abandon a standard for ANY reason, the standard is rendered meaningless.
Then you believe that others should also be held accountable for their crimes? People like those mentioned above. Correct or incorrect?
ReplyDeleteOnce again, NO ONE should be considered as being above the law. Likewise, the failure to prosecute some individual for breaking a law does not constitute an adequate excuse for abandoning the law in question. It's the old two wrongs don't make a right principle.
DeleteOne thing I have noticed that people do not ask themselves is why DT was elected.
ReplyDeleteThe answer is to be found in the equation of rebellion. Rebellion against a bunch of congressional thieves who promise us everything with lie's and deliver nothing to the middle class which has and will continue to be trashed. This is the beginning of the end for the USA. Next year we will see the proof of this in the way of violence.
So you should see that understanding why trumps the hate promoted by politicians. DT is a symptom of the problems. Step back and realize this and set yourself free of the propaganda and division these people have to offer.
There is a group of us (email group) x-cogers that realize this. All it take is some time away from the dysfunctional circus to see and to understand what the hell is going on and the bigger question, why.
I do believe Trumps rise is a symptom.
ReplyDeleteI also believe great leaders can rise above being symptoms and change tides, by building dams, walls, trust, faith.
I believe opinionated has difficulty seeing a difference between, natural law, gods law, eternal self evident law and the law construct that governs a nation or grouping of humans in a "contract", that binds them as a nation and can be changed any time this grouping decides it wishes so.
The clearest and quickest example is "a jury" in my comment I explain that "justice" outcome is not perse prevalent. "Justice" would be the principle right by "peers" to decide if a man should be tried at all.
The people set bill clinton free, the peers set OJ free.
And Trump will probably be set free since a wave of the will of the people have set him in office as an expression of their will, hopes and desires as regulated by the written expression of their contract in laws.
Contracts can be amended but they remain the very foundation of western civilisation from before the days of christ.
Nck
And no the abandonment of a standard does not render it meaningless.
ReplyDeleteThe supreme sovereignty lies in the will of the people and the expression thereof. And (the) people might just change their will.
What is true is that there WILL be consequences if standards are abandoned. Either the fabric of a nation might crumble into that of a 3rd rate nation or we might just change into a society more acceptable of trangender persons or people of color. Whatever..... I don't care, based on the laws that presently constitute our cohabitation, they are not absolute!!
People should just know very well, why they would change the rules of cohabitation with those of different opinion, accept the consequenses of abandoning them for a reason and perhaps fall victim to those very same changes the next day.
I see Trump availing to make many changes that will hit the USA like a boomerang real hard in the future.
But I do recognize that his rule might be a reaction to earlier abandonment of the values that kept and defined the Union for a long time.
nck
nck, your comments reflect a great deal of thought about whatever topic/post you're commenting on. However, while I agree with you and Opinionated that Trump is a symptom, I believe that he is also making a significant contribution to making things worse (it doesn't have to be one or the other).
DeleteAlso, as you suggest in your comments, standards change over time. Stated another way, when the "will of the people" shifts/changes, a standard can be modified or abandoned altogether. The former standard is no longer seen as relevant by the folks who decided to alter or abandon it. Likewise, a standard which no one adheres to is rendered futile.
Bringing this down to earth and closer to home - When we're young, our standards for choosing a romantic interest is more likely to emphasize physical characteristics. As we get older, things like intellect and compatibility might become the focus. From our new perspective, the old standards might appear shallow and/or meaningless. Perhaps another example would be even more meaningful (no pun intended)? Do you think that the standards relating to clean and unclean food have the same relevance for Dennis today that they had forty years ago? Do you think that he still regards Passover as relevant/meaningful?
Interesting example you took. I have before me a 17th century shipscaptains journal. Just returning to New Amsterdam having payed respects to the Rhode Island colony. He witnessed the flogging and 6 week separation of a couple of newlyweds, who the administrators just found out had had primal relations/carnal knowledge of each other before their wedding vows.
DeleteThe journal relates that the captain finds the whole story "absurd, wholly unpractical and strange."
Now. I do understand the rules of the New Haven colony and perhaps the "eternity" claim of their relevance. I am raised in the captains culture where the practical application of said rule had become rather obsolete.
To me it depends on what we are debating. The need for discipline, order and the rule of law in a new colony in dangerous territory.
Or the mad religious ravings and resulting strict revenge and punishment on a couple of young newlyweds.
I don't know about Dennis. He seems to fire many questions at religion but is in no way furthering an agenda to eat more pork and shrimp.
Personally I have adhered to the "food laws" to this day 30 years after "I left".
I felt the reasons why I did not eat them were valid to me and integrated in my personal value system. Non of them includes health reasons, since I've seen people turn 100 and never missing a day with a good chop.
They are a reflection of "what I hold dear and my history and my value system" but I haven ' t spoken to a "member" for 30 years.
Passover. I do regard it the most important christian day on the "CalendarS", as it relates to a new agricultural cycle and therefore the cycle of life. For personal application it is rendered unapplicable but I try to protect all Life from the Yezidi women to the trial of Milosevich, to the saving of the Oceans and the rainforrest.
Thats why I adhere to "abandoned" law.
Nck
To be exact.
DeleteThe captain negotiator in Hartford uses the word "comical play or joke" for the harsh punishment of the newlyweds.
He also notes that "these strict people punish excessive drinking or alcohol abusers in the same manner as we do thieves."
This is telling of his value system where a thief is lower in ranking thus considered a greater threat to society than a disorderly drunkard.
Al Capone knew these principles too I guess and prohibition would not work in the long run.
But I do realize the plight of the women who called for prohibition in a time of disorder.
Nck
We live in interesting times to say the least. In the end game this nation called the USA is over. It's life cycle is about up. No, not a HWA prophecy, just normal cycles. All nations die. Whether this happens in our life time remains to be seen.
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