Living Armstrongism: Ex-PCG Testimony

Tuesday, October 28, 2014

Ex-PCG Testimony

Exit and Support Network has released another testimony from an ex-PCG member. The feelings and struggles described there are quite common among those getting out of highly controlling groups.

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AnonymousOctober 29, 2014 at 10:16 AM
These sociopaths are playing with fire. In 2005, Terry Ratzman came into LCG services and killed the minister along with murdering and maiming other members in his anger against Roderick Meredith's abuse. This sort of attack has not been repeated since, but given how people are treated, it is probably only a matter of time before someone has had enough and decides to take matters into his (or her) own hands.

Fortunately for the psychos running the cults, people are generally too cowed by the constant censure to do little else than commit suicide. You don't hear about the rash of recent suicides in the RCG because they have been covered up. In the case of other sects of the Cult of Herbert Armstrong Mafia, alternative speculative reasons were given to cover up the fact it was indeed suicide.

At some point though, the vetting process to get the passive to continue to cough up luxury funds for the egoists of the insane cults will fail and aggressive alphas (or even psychopaths) will make it through and when they become angry enough and have had enough, they will take action. Once it happens in one place, it is likely to happen all over the ACoGs.

People like Pack, Meredith, Flurry don't seem to realize that backlash for their bad behavior could devastate their cults very rapidly: First comes the news of tragedy and then the copy cats. In the current climate of frustration, particularly in the United States, it is dangerous to be extremely abusive as the sociopaths of the Cult of Herbert Armstrong Mafia are.

Just know that even though you will ignore it, you have been warned.

Yeah, I know: So filled with hubris that it's just so much hyperbole.

Until it isn't.
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AnonymousOctober 29, 2014 at 10:25 AM
Oh, yeah, I forgot. I was there in Luker's congregation after Sabbath Services one Saturday when I was shocked to have Chuck Harris show me his pistol he was carrying in his suit coat pocket.

It wasn't long after that he shot and killed several people in the Bellevue congregation.

And the regional pastor didn't have a clue about what was going on right under his nose but some members of the congregation knew -- particularly Chuck's roommate who was going nuts because of what he was experiencing up close and personal.

The teens in the church were pals with Chuck and about the same time a couple of them shot and killed their drug dealer (and the elder's son went to prison). My wife and I actually had a chance encounter with the Elder and his wife at the Seattle Center in front of the fountain on the Sunday after the shooting -- before they had a clue about what had happened but soon the Seattle Times had the story....
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Redfox712October 30, 2014 at 1:40 AM
Oh! You were there at Chuck Harris' congregation. I am not sure what to say. I am sorry to hear about that. That must have been a terrible thing for you and your wife to go through.

Thank you for sharing this part of your life story here. I feel very honored that you chose to share this here.
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Redfox712October 30, 2014 at 1:43 AM
By the way, Black Ops Mickey, I've got a big article coming up soon. It will probably be released later today or tomorrow.
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Fall of Berlin Wall NOT Proof HWA was Right

It is often asserted that the fall of the Berlin Wall in 1989 proved that HWA was right and he really did see the future.

This of course is nonsense. Herbert W. Armstrong said that Christ would return within twenty years in his book Mystery of the Ages. (PCG has since deleted those words so someone in there knows HWA spoke nonsense.) How convenient for them to forget this.

Also Herbert W. Armstrong never said the Soviet Union would collapse. He thought it would survive intact until a few years after Christ's return. It shows how biased some many in the COGs are that they never seem to notice this. This inconvenient truth is just tossed into the memory hole.

It is true that HWA said that some Eastern European states would break away from Moscow's orbit and join the European Empire he said would arise at any moment. But he never talked of the Soviet Union collapsing. He did not teach that. Also he portrayed the rise of the European Empire to be far quicker then what has actually happened. In Mystery of the Ages Christ was supposed to return by 2005 at the most.

So assertions that the fall of the Berlin Wall somehow prove that HWA was right is just complete nonsense spread by people who, for whatever reason, are still in denial that HWA was a false prophet who merely talked out of his own "human reasoning".

Truth about Roderick C. Meredith

What sort of man is he? A man who could say things like this.

"Mr. Armstrong has reminded us again that we are to disfellowship any members who attend GTA's [Garner Ted Armstrong's] campaigns, church services or other meetings. Some of our weaker members apparently do not realize that this man is in direct rebellion against God and His government! We must not allow them, or ourselves, to rationalize about this matter, to try to "help the underdog," or in any other way lend support to one whose gross immorality, whose long standing "play acting" and hypocrisy, and whose direct insubordination to the Government of God has long been and is now a source of confusion and DIVISION among God's people. So, as per Mr. Armstrong's instruction, I charge and exhort every one of you faithful ministers of the living Christ to explain this in no uncertain terms to your members, to warn them about this cause of division and then to disfellowship any who consort with GTA or any of his fellows." (Roderick C. Meredith, Pastor's Report, May 21, 1979, pp. 1-2.)

See here for this statement's context.

David Robinson on Roderick C. Meredith

WCG minister David Robinson had this to say about Roderick C. Meredith in a letter he wrote to him on September 19, 1979.

"During the ten years I have been an employee of the Worldwide Church, you have been poorly spoken of by most of the ministers and employees I have known. I vividly remember the absolute unbounded glee that was openly expressed by a good number of respected men in the church when you were first "shanghaied." [In 1972.] I could begin by naming names, which I am sure would shock you. I was one of the few who stood, where possible, for you. Your tenure as superintendent of ministers, as I believe the office was then called, was looked on as nightmarish. While you held office during the years of growth, most of those whom I know gave you very little credit for that growth. Almost everyone whom I know, whether they be former friends of yours, or continuing foes, recalls insensitive and terrible things you have done. Without exception, at least among my acquaintances, they all credit you with an unbridled lust for power and list you as one who is willing to pay the price of gaining that power, no matter what. I have, through many of the last few years, believed you had principles you would not violate. Many a man of experience in the church assured me of my error. Events have proven me wrong and them right. Mr. Armstrong has himself been widely quoted as saying of you that you were so righteous that you were so "righteous you were unrighteous." " (David Robinson, Herbert Armstrong's Tangled Web, Chapter 16, p. 207.)

Of course it is impossible for me to personally verify these assertions but people deserve to know what this knowledgeable man had to say about him.

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