Tuesday, February 14, 2017

Remembering the Apartheid Regime's Propaganda Efforts



Journalist Ron Nixon has released a fascinating book, Selling Apartheid: South Africa's Global Propaganda War, detailing the propaganda efforts and various strategies of the Apartheid regime in South Africa in trying to blunt widespread opposition to its racist policies towards the black majority. It an intriguing account of this aspect of the Apartheid regime. I heartily recommend it to anyone interested in this topic.

One interesting account in the book notes that in the early 1970s officials in the Apartheid regime authorized a R280,000 survey in twenty countries to see how the world viewed South Africa. The twenty volume report revealed the widespread disgust that existed in the world at South Africa's racist apartheid policies.
Apartheid government officials knew that South Africa was not well liked in the world, but had no idea just how disliked they were.... 
[In the survey] South Africa ... was ranked as the most unpopular country in the world, except for Uganda, then ruled by the brutal dictator Idi Amin. The country was also less favorably regarded than the communist countries of the Soviet Union and China.... the report showed that apartheid was 'the one word that popped into people's minds most frequently when questioned about South Africa.' (pp. 51-2.)
That is the racist regime that HWA and his imitators chose to sympathize with. HWA and those with him generally chose to view the Apartheid regime in South Africa quite favorably. One example may be seen in the April 1977 issue of The Plain Truth (pp. 6-11, 34-5). No wonder HWA's WCG has been characterized as white supremacist.

How shameful it was that HWA's WCG chose to sympathize with such a regime. It was readily apparent to so many that Apartheid was wrong and the leaders of HWA's WCG somehow failed to see that.

51 comments:

  1. I recall, as a young WCG school boy, learning about South Africa in my Social Studies and History Classes, reading about Apartheid, and thinking to myself, "Wow! South Africa is the only country in the entire world that handles the racial thing the right way!" Viewed through my Armstrongite filters, I saw the Dutch Afrikaans as being enlightened rather than as the inhumane fools that they were. The school system in the little community in which I was being raised, in fact all of the surrounding towns, did not have a single person of color. Later, when we moved to the suburbs of a larger metropolitan area, and I had some African American friends for the first time in my life, my attitudes changed.

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  2. South Africa also has many other problems, not the least of which is an extremely high crime rate, with murders, rapes, burglaries, carjacking, assault, domestic violence are all part of a growing problem.

    It makes it hard to believe that South Africa is part of the civilized world. It's freaking dangerous there.

    It's hard to believe that they could effectively sell anything.

    Who's buying?

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  3. Byker Bob,

    Thanks for sharing your story here. It is so unfortunate that the old WCG encouraged members to sympathize with the Apartheid regime.

    Black Ops Mikey,

    True. How could the Apartheid regime sell what they were doing to the black majority. Ultimately they were unable to keep Apartheid going.

    So true that today there are many problems in South Africa. May that soon change.

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  5. From source Search
    Dear Fellow Ministers:
    We want to keep you informed regarding Dr. Meredith’s health. He was taken to the hospital Thursday night after feeling exceptionally weak much of the day. He underwent several tests on Friday and was released and stayed home over the weekend and Monday. Early indications are that he has cancer, but he will be seeing a specialist today and perhaps undergo further tests, after which we expect to know more fully the nature of the problem. His mind is strong and he maintains a sense of humor, but he is weak and we expect that he will work from home this week. When we know more details we will pass them along and keep you informed. In the meantime, your prayers for Dr. Meredith are greatly appreciated.
    Regards,
    Gerald Weston

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  6. Thanks for informing me. Despite my personal grievances regarding him and what he teaches I hope he lives for a long time to come. It is saddening to think that his family and friends will be distressed at this news.

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  7. Of course the comments regarding HWA are taken completely out of context yet again. It was the time of the Cold War and South Africa possessed vital and strategic minerals. Whatever dissenting people needed to be opressed whatever righteous reasons they had to be liberated. And the communist ANC did just not convince the Western Powers under the leadership of official American Foreign policy. Of course the shameful apartheid politics was condemned. But even Reagan did fully support it until the Soviet Union collapsed and the United States ordered the release of the communist Nelson Mandela. Completely rebranded as the rightheous freedom fighter, a title he actually deserved AFTER his release in my opinion, certainly not before it since he advocated armed struggle against the powers protection from communism. Then we have HWA coming in with BI as the leading US foreign policy instrument. Just read up on his travels to and from Japan, South Africa, and Israel and the actual proliferation of Nuclear Weapons exchange between Israel and South Africa and you come to understand who HWA really was in the grand scheme of things. (a postman between the Gods, read up on Mercurius the messenger of Trade (the Unseen Hand) and the 9th economic power in the world which was the state of california in the '70's

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  8. Then we have HWA coming in with BI as the leading US foreign policy instrument

    That's just plain nonsensical rubbish.

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  9. A) Just watch the crowds in a seventies inaugaration ceremony. It is an all white affair. B) Are you denying that the American empire is an extension of the British empire? Just follow the trail of the echelon network and you will realize that I am not talking poop. Nck

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  10. Perhaps your defeniton of BI is narrow
    To me it is extended to the "white man's burden" toward the free trade hidden hand from someplace as related to the protestant identification with the esoteric nation of israel, without any geopolitical rational. It is an ideology
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  11. Are you denying that the American empire is an extension of the British empire?

    I would answer, "you think it is?" but seeing how he's completely nuts, there's no sense discussing it with a crazy person.

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  12. Thats right. No sense in discussions with the crazy or illiterate. Nck

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  13. Oh my word! What an awesome trendsetter HWA was! Like, he was totally ahead of the curve, Dude! Right up there with Jeff Spicolli or the Rolling Stones. Imagine all of the know-nothings who dismissed him for 1975.

    Heh, more like Mighty Manfred the wonderdog in the old Tom Terrific cartoons on Captain Kangaroo!

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  14. Seriously, the USA did not wish to be someone else's colony, declared its independence from the Brits, and set up its founding documents in such a way as to be distinctly different from England. Thank God, or we'd still have abominable cuisine, like Eel Pie! Canada patterned itself after the Brit model, and has remained as an extension of the British Empire.

    As George Carlin quipped, America is Europe Jr. Colonists did not just come from England, they came from all of western Europe, and Africa was well-represented as well. These mixed freely with Native Americans who were already on the continent. Sabbatarians were few and far between, whether Jewish or otherwise. HWA was a very stupid man to embrace the ignorant theories which he did.

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  15. Interesting BB as always. I didnt know sabbatarianism was a requirement for BI adherents. I repeat the word "narrow" in terms of wcg definition. You did look up the echelon hint I gave, not. A second hint. The City of London is a corporation within the "bi realm". As we were taught. It is not what you own but what you control. You might want to look up who actually controls your local supermarket or mall. Nck PS I m not being contentious. Just a thought pattern aiming my arrows at Delaware as a next step when we close on South Africa and their former ideology of white protestant identification with the wandering tribes of Israel through barren land.

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  16. With a beer or two black opps and I would probably largely come to agreement that all the "Nations of Israel" are actually a giant corporation. Competing within itself as a giant hack. And moving forward according to Adam Smiths law of the unseen hand. Next episode does the new Asian investment bank really differ from the World bank in aims and purpose. An officer told me no, the other day. So know we have chinese acting as BI. Oh yes HWA was the first "religious " figure to talk to talk to Deng Xiaoping. And "the most influential foreigner in China today was 4th in wcg hierarchy. Nck

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  17. nck, you are confusing British Israelism with an actual and very real centuries old phenomenon, called Anglophilia. The problem is that diagnosing Anglophiles as being British Israelists is an artificial construct or gateway, opening the doors for the ridiculousness of HWA and Armstrongism.

    Also, Dr. Robert Kuhn would have been brilliant and influential regardless as to whether he once fell under the influence of HWA. I'm sure much effort was required to shed himself from the embarrassment of once having been associated with a cultic organization.

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    1. Yes, Biker Bob, we've had this discussion before over at Ambassador Watch where Dr. Greg Doudna did a creditable job of debunking nck's idiotic ideas -- noting that Gavin finally had to close off the discussion. Recall the defining comment about nck:

      "23 October 2016 at 03:18

      Miguel de la Rodente said...
      61 comments by nck. That's got to be some kind of record. My critiques would be that in the course of that, he attacks someone who is known to be one of the more sane and rational voices on these blogs. Also, he poses as the all knowing teacher as if presenting priceless gems that some "finally get" so that his work is done and he can remove his posts. Those acts are rather telling. I don't believe I'd want to do Dos Equis with this guy. Clearly, he's not the worlds most exciting man. (See Dos Equis beer commercials for reference)"

      nck is like a stopped watch -- while he might have something brilliant and worthwhile to say at random times, he's unreliable as any source of information, just as the stopped watch is totally worthless to depend upon for the time of day.

      This is the sort of thing we would expect from someone who grew up in the SDA cult.

      It's too bad nck can't take the hint. He could learn something. As it is, he's been banned from some forums, cut off from others and now whines that not all of his posts are let through in moderation at Banned! You'd think he'd get the point, be he seems too dense to really get it.

      Too bad, too. He might have had some potential if he weren't into games to win in his psychopath game of trying to win in his campaign to impugn those who are willing to call him on his crap nonsense.

      It's the first part of his execution, just as outlined in "Snakes in Suits" by Dr. Robert Hare and Dr. Paul Babiak.

      Expect him to fill up Living Armstrongism with his self-justification and protests because he just can't resist the challenge.

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  18. I m saying the influence was the other way round. I don t know about the embaressment. I m more interested in the original attraction by the obviously brilliant people like your friend grabbe. I see you have difficulty following the economic ownership leads and the role of ideology in a political economy. No problem. Nck

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    1. Like myself, Orlin was partially raised in the church. I'm certain that given his druthers, he would have chosen to attend a real college or university of the types and quality that he did later. But, up until it didn't happen, we all thought the end was imminent, the tribulation to begin in 1972.

      I've got a really funny story! At the beginning of summer in 1968, there was a whole musical chairs thing going on at AC, Pasadena. Time to change dorms for the summer. I was off to Del Mar! One of my dorm mates from the just ending semester, Rick, was going to be Orlin's dorm mate for the summer. and Orlin had dropped by to help him move.

      Deliberately in front of me, Rick said to him, "I tell you Orlin, I'm really looking forward to having some serious dorm mates for a change! You have no idea what went on here all last semester!" Orlin smiled knowingly at me and said to Rick, "How spiritual!" Rick ran screaming from the building. When people at AC were becoming too religiously superstitious, I'd always dress them down with "how spiritual!" Rick had heard that all through the past semester, and Orlin the previous year!

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  19. I do not drink alcohol and have not since 1982, except for the 'Passover' and that unfortunate incident at Weyerhaeuser where I was a manager, when a secretary brought in rum cake and didn't tell anyone and I went home sick. She was reprimanded.

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    1. These days, better watch out for green stuff in the brownies!

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  20. Thanks black opps. In BI speak your point would be translated as follows. This beautiful part of Wisconsin is privately owned by the tribes of "ephraim", "zebulon", (robeco sustainable) and did I mention Vanguard Rothschildt" which would be Ruben, Benjamin. I love those treehuggers. Nck

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  21. Actually Black Ops most of what you said about me is nonsense. And you are explicitly lying about Dr GD's his final conclusion. Look it up on the thread you are quoting. And compare Dr GD's conclusion with the subject at hand. Which is the former South African ideology as related to the British Rhodes economic thinking. Black Ops although you AT TIMES have proven to nice Dr Phil like psychological insights. You are a proven liar and especially myopic in your analysis of Armstrongism. But that is okay. You must have been hurt somehow above average. nck

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  22. And to prove Black Ops wrong again I will end the discussion from my side right here right now. I have no need to convince a one issue politician like BO. nck

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  23. This is part of DR GD's final analysis of our discussion, for the interested!!

    nck, I see that you are giving a picture of a wider cultural studies context to the hwa/british-israelism phenomenon in America, arguing that it is just one variant of a larger self-understanding of white Protestants running America and the British Empire, a sense of being divinely chosen and entitled due to being Israel. I see that your point is this wider ideology combining race (whiteness) and religion (Protestant Christianity) and imperial power (British Empire and America).


    OK nck, you're expanded my thinking a bit. In the sense of cultural history and context, in which British-Israelism is part of a larger tapestry of the whole ideology of "Israel"/Puritanism/noble British Empire/"white man's burden"/Manifest Destiny/Protestant white entitlement and supremacy to land, natural resources, and military power ... OK, that is a real analysis, that rings true. The argument being that hwa/british-Israelism was a variant manifestation of a larger context, in a variant gargoyle-like form, but of a larger context. And that focusing solely on hwa/british-Israelism as if it occurred in a vacuum that happened on its own misses the larger context, a larger context that is part of history that should be looked at more reflectively.

    I am trying to paraphrase in a way that bypasses notions of conspiracy theory and understands this instead as cultural history, analogous to Edward Baptist's "The Half Has Never Been Told" as well as other books bringing out things on American slavery that are factual and stunning but not well known, "the half never told". This is in the genre of ignored history that is not secret except that it is little known or recognized, lost to cultural memory, deep-sixed in national consciousness, "the half never told".




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  24. And yet nck doesn't mention this from Greg Doudna which negates what nck is trying to prove:

    Scroller said...
    nck, if you are suggesting the WCG was an intelligence operation in the service of US State Dept. propaganda influence, etc., there are issues of evidence and plausibility. On evidence, unless you have something, there does not seem to be any presently known. Evidence would be documents, financial records, a confession, or a whistleblower. Do you know of anything of this nature? I do not.

    Nor do I see it as plausible with HWA/WCG of the 1930s-1960s. No unexplained or unseen sources of money in those decades have been brought to light. HWA's financial success is entirely explicable in terms of successful salesmanship with the coworker letters generating tithes and donations. If it was an intelligence operation HWA would be reporting to or controlled by someone, but in his early decades there is no sign of that.

    On South Africa, you are right that I erred in saying that Afrikaaners were Assyrians only in WCG terms; I was thinking of the German part of Afrikaaner Dutch-German heritage whereas WCG did regard Dutch as from Zebulon or Israelite.

    One does not need to suppose an intelligence operation to explain the Plain Truth/WCG being conservative/Cold War politically, with the British-Israel twist to it. Most of grassroots America bought into Cold War rhetoric. I see nothing in the figures writing the "news analyses" of the PT such as Hoeh, Gene Hogberg and crew, etc. or HWA himself to suggest they were other than true believers, honest lunatics so to speak.

    I am aware that the CIA and lettered agencies have a history of making use of "media assets" as in Operation Mockingbird brought out by the Church committee. The CIA has made use of religious organizations' missionary work and has infiltrated legitimate charitable organizations, for purposes of getting access to intelligence and as cover for covert operatives, in foreign countries. In the case of at least one religious organization, the Moonies, there is heavy Korean and US intelligence agency background and involvement such that that might be the strongest case for an actual religious movement as an intelligence operation.

    But there seems to be no evidence of this in HWA/WCG's early decades or formative decades of Ambassador College. When one gets into the later stages, into the 1970s and 1980s with the travels and money and foundations moving around internationally, the Japanese fascist circles contacts and the Japanese royal family, etc., perhaps other diplomatic contacts, things could get more murky. But still, even there one needs evidence; one cannot draw conclusions on the basis of suspicion alone.

    There are three good reasons not to run far on suspicion alone: (a) the statistical likelihood that most guesses in the absence of evidence turn out to be wrong as to specifics; (b) damage to innocent people tarred on the basis of suspicion who are actually innocent; and (c) consumption of personal energies in deadend directions when so much exists of real issues which are based on known facts.

    I think the racism in HWA and WCG was partly a product of the times but it went beyond that into ideas of American and British entitlement to world empire justified in terms of the British-Israel belief. This was no intelligence operation in its origins and success. HWA's success was basic grassroots flourishing of crazy and harmful ideas, of which American history has a long and rich history. My take on it anyway.

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  25. Byker Bob, note as usual that nck is trying to line up some proof texting to validate his completely asinine statements. He wants J. Orlin Grabbe to be used as the 'proof' of his nonsensical ideas. We're all too smart for that.

    nck has derided, flamed and plied me with ad hominem attacks, claiming that my views are worthless because I am to him some sort of technologist.

    It turns out that J. Orlin Grabbe was the ultimate technologist. Economics isn't some exercise in abstract visualization devoid of structural visualization, particularly when vectoring derivatives. Moreover, his brilliant works included articles he wrote on one of his favorite subjects, quantum mechanics.

    By attempting to discredit me by claiming that my being some sort of technologist (the nature of which he's totally ignorant), he's actually impeaching his own witness, J. Orlin Grabbe.

    nck has again shot himself in the foot.

    It's gratifying that the vast majority of the post Armstrongists are too smart to be taken in by this fraud and that, of course, includes Dr. Greg Doudna with whom I have had some correspondence.

    Time will pass before the final pièce de résistance relegating nck to dust bins of irrelevance where he's been all along.

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  26. I should add that it is really low for nck to take advantage of Gavin Rumney while he was dying of cancer to advance his ad hominem arguments. It is way over the top for nck to display such cold immoral unethical acts to take advantage of a dying man to serve his own selfish purposes.

    And of course, he's taking advantage of J. Orlin Grabbe because he's already dead and can't respond to refute nck. We'll just have to do it for him in honor of Dr. Grabbe's brilliance.

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  27. Black Ops Mikey. To once again proof what how low you can go in your "proof". a) I was not even aware that Mr Rumney was sick. Until he disclosed this at the end of the conversation. Yes I was surprised he did not step in whith his usual compassionate whit. Very much unlike your "crazy random myopic interventions". 2) You assume I serve a purpose. 3) Luckily any sane person can see through your way of arguing. So it is not up to me to engage with you in Dr Phil like discussions (who by the way is not even a psychiatrist I believe. nck

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  28. I only mentioned GD since you brought him into the discussion. I only mentioned Mr G. But moreso Mr K. to ask about their original attraction to HWA despite their brilliance. A question you seemingly try to avoid and do not dare to ask in your myopic distaste of HWA. nck

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  29. It is also so extremely funny to see you quoting a reputable source who denies seeing evidence -"from the 1930's to 1960's" while every person reading this is aware that HWA lived until 1986. Man talking about "shooting oneself in the foot". Black Ops you should really try again in not engaging in conversation with me since everytime you try and disprove me you shoot yourself in the foot with the wrong argument. And I have said before you're unwillingness to ask questions also borders on a medical condition, but I will readily admit that I am not qualified to judge medical conditions. I only read about the type of persona displayed in your musings. nck

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  30. "to take advantage of a dying man"

    I am really curious if you are able to apologize to me about this specific statement of yours, now in full posesession of the knowledge that Mr Rumney only disclosed his affliction at the very end of the discussion.

    No need to apologize for your other "opinions" but I am really curious about how you act on knowledge about this serious error on your behalf.

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  31. Mikey,

    When I first became aware of Orlin as he ultimately came to be, I read as many of his materials as I could get my hands on. He had acquired an incisiveness that was not possible within the HWA/WCG/AC bubble. Who and what he was in 2003 was not traceable to anything in the Ambassador experience shared in the late '60s and early '70s. There were no such labels as "New World Order" floating around on the campus of those days, rather a resurgence in world domination was being foretold for Germany, with the Catholic Church and Pope being complicit. Occasionally "Dr." Hoeh would cite Illuminati as an example of a global conspiracy theory that appealed primarily to unbalanced nuts. The big conspiracy theory on campus was centered on how the Germans and Beast Power would dominate a singular, all encompassing world government prior to the end. And, of course, the simplistic people who allegedly had all of the answers for us taught that the power and transformation would come from Satan.

    In attempting to retrace Orlin's steps, transforming him from the introspective, mild mannered, clean-cut AC student, fresh off the ranch in 1966, to the long-haired underground figure who spoke of UFO's in an interview in Reno, NV, I came to the conclusion that the collective of higher intellect present during his experience at Berkeley had first opened his horizons and mind to new patterns of thought which would have been incomprehensible to Ambassador College students, faculty, and administrators, let alone typical church members. The people who claim today to be logical heirs, linear descendants to all things HWA, do not possess the incisiveness which Orlin found to be a virtually effortless quality in his later life. Therefore, as might be similar in a study on genetics, his later characteristics could not have had their genesis at Ambassador College. This is something altogether different, an alternative pattern of thought which tracks totally independently from the predominant Armstrong theology, and most likely began with an awakening Orlin experienced as he searched for answers anew at Berkeley. There was an incredible collective of intellect at Berkeley, and with the academic freedom to actually apply that intellect.

    The second leg of Orlin's transisition most likely came into full fruition in Philadelphia while at Wharton. Orlin would have been in the presence of those with an intimate knowledge as to how wealth, and control of wealth, and the execution of the power which wealth brings constitutes one of several powerful dynamics involved in the control of the world of which most "citizens" have at best, a very superficial grasp. Orlin would have known, conversed with, and even molded and shaped the people whom the very powerful employed to manage and preserve their wealth, influence, and power. They were the policy makers who controlled entire civilizations.

    The worldview of such a person will be so far above "man on the street" level (aka the controlled ones), that it becomes unimaginable. Although such a worldview can be convincingly and pretentiously faked by anonymous ones on a blog, Orlin was the real thing, and there are very few people who fall into his percentile.

    I wish I had known Orlin later in life. Thankfully, the trail he left behind on the internet provided many answers and insights. I don't pattern my life after that of anyone else. However various people throughout life's experiences have been influences to one degree or another. Orlin was at one time just such a resource.

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  32. Some of these people with whom I sat in classes at AC, such as Orlin Grabbe and Robert Kuhn did not receive the worldview which later put them on the global stage from Herbert W. Armstrong, or the WCG. To extrapolate backwards because of what we now know of their later lives, and to presume that that was spawned because HWA was already tapped into hypothetical global conspirators back in the '60s is a leap of Hisloppian proportions, a huge mistake in connecting the dots!

    Orlin was an impressionable teenager and young adult at AC, who bloomed after his unceremonious dismissal from Armstrongism, and Dr. Kuhn was a mystery man who drove a nice Porsche, had a pretty wife, and somehow got a waiver from the P.E. Classes which were mandatory for most other students. He first became prominent in the Armstrong movement as a result of his work with HWA on the "Spirit of Man" articles and doctrine. Until that point, Dr. Hoeh had been regarded as the church's supreme intellect.

    HWA was at best, an exploited stooge of the global dignitaries with whom he met. Not an equal. They were an eclectic collection of individuals, not all identifiable as members of any sort of club or tribe, although some may have been affiliated with others in limited tangential ways. Obviously, Europe's monarchies were a highly incestuous group and interrelated. These relationships stopped and did not include many of HWA's photo pals.

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  33. BB,
    Thank you very much for your expose and sharing your memories. Somehow everytime you speak about that time I envision, Huey helicopters, Blue Californian skies, wild girls with flowers in their hair and loud base guitars. But I know,, that was outside the compound.
    I find it interesting to read your perspective. I know how you hate ( and I learned it from you) “straw man” arguments. So my assumption certainly would give you the benefit of the “doubt” and that any misunderstanding is due to myself.
    BB
    “Some of these people with whom I sat in classes at AC, such as Orlin Grabbe and Robert Kuhn did not receive the worldview which later put them on the global stage from Herbert W. Armstrong, or the WCG. To extrapolate backwards because of what we now know of their later lives, and to presume that that was spawned because HWA was already tapped into hypothetical global conspirators back in the '60s is a leap of Hisloppian proportions, a huge mistake in connecting the dots!”
    NCK: I wholeheartedly agree with this assessment. The question I directed at our local mental case was if he had any opinion on how come, the obviously brilliant people and there were quite a few more were attracted to a cult like Armstrongism in the first place. The overall harping I hear on the dissenting websites is about the “blue color” workers exploited by an ad man. My focus in this particular question is directed at the extremely intelligent ones.
    I have extrapolated myself that a large chunk of wcg members hailed from a failed relationship with their fathers(figure) and perhaps HWA filled that role. But I am not qualified to judge such an assessment. I see websites where folks assign roles to RK from hailing from the Kuhn and Loeb empire and Osamu Gotoh from Japanese intelligence. But I have not seen hard evidence of such relationships with RK. Indeed his ancestry is a mystery, unlike Stanley Rader’s whose grandparents hailed from areas that must have instilled a respect and lifegoal fort he furtherance of democracy, world governance, peace and especially the rule of law. He would have love modern times.

    So there must have been another attraction from Kuhn to Armstrong. But that one might be too painful to answer for people myopically steeped into a distaste for Armstrong.
    In the case of Hislopian leaps. I would however connect the dots of RK’s later careers which involved the exchange of high technology between Japan and Israel and nowadays consulting the people that influence the policymakers that I speak with on a regular and private basis. As I related the opinion I witnessed by officers of the World Bank on the Asia Pacific bank was not faked but fact. And RK is working on extremely high level on both sides of the aisle. The EY consultants I received the reports from and every policymaker was eating like cake and the Chinese government on world governance. Not world rulership mind you but world governance.

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  34. BB
    “Until that point, Dr. Hoeh had been regarded as the church's supreme intellect. “

    NCK
    In this regard I find the “painful truth” letters of Mr G extremely interesting. The myopic ones would focus on the rampant corruption and obvious unprofesionalism at HQ. I am only interested in the descriptions of the exchanges between SR and HWA. And a picture emerges from HWA being imprisoned by SR’s influence, being (made) highly independent of his opinions, and of course a prisoner of his own vices. Just the other day I read the letter where HWA is changing doctrine for the good when confronted with error, just as he always said he would. Then we see HOeh jumping in and pressing the issue of “devine revelation” on HWA and HWA changes the error back. One sees a picture of an influenced personality but not unwilling to improve in essence.
    BB
    “HWA was at best, an exploited stooge of the global dignitaries with whom he met. Not an equal. They were an eclectic collection of individuals, not all identifiable as members of any sort of club or tribe, although some may have been affiliated with others in limited tangential ways. Obviously, Europe's monarchies were a highly incestuous group and interrelated. These relationships stopped and did not include many of HWA's photo pals.”

    NCK
    Now quickly and superficially I would agree with this asessment again. But again this picture is incomplete. I do agree that AFTER and DURING the collapse of the British and other European empires this collection of individuals may have appeared as eclectic and random.However the very purpose of US foreign policy was to bring this eclectic group within the real of the Western capitalist world, which would have been the emerging American empire. If you follow the trail of the GII you see that the GII NEVER touched areas like Western Africa where French and Belgian diplomacy led the way. The GII followed the trail of the British empire in Southern and Eastern Africa. Leaders like Jomo Kenyatta. But moreso even the South Pacific theathre with the obvious ties between WCG and the former dominion of the Philipines and HWA’s visits with the Indonesian leader who with the consent of the CIA took power leaving a million communists dead and securing the area for the Western World.
    It is no coincidence at all that these were the first countries for HW to visit.
    THE VERY PURPOSE of US foreign policy and the United Nations as an emerging extension of US foreign policy was to AFFILIATE these people in unlimited tangible ways to the non communist West.
    “HWA as an exploited stooge”
    I have never claimed HWA was someone important. If one is inclined to re read my first posting one will find that I call him a “postman between the Gods”. That is what Mercurius was. A postman, a messenger and a champion of trade. (trade which every person with an education knows is defined as’”the unseen hand from someplace”)
    When HWA donated on behalf of US a 100.000 dollars to the leader of the Bilderbergers it was for the sole purpose to save animals. It might not sound like a huge amount of money. But for a start up that sum of money is a huge leverage. And now of course we all know the organisation as the World Wild life Fund. And I won’t repeat all the other causes and donations within the South East Asia theatre all ( As the US Ambassador to Syria said to HWA) enhancing the face of American diplomacy within the theatre.

    Perhaps another time I will relate how HWA’s connections within the European Monarchy (which were view) interrelated with families and business interests that encompass the entire globe. To give one hint. Of course AICF only sponsored “ royalty taking pictures and huge scientific operations in Papua New Guinea). But I would urge one interested to look into the natural recources exploited within such seemingly (backward and far away poor regions of the world.

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  35. Oh man I forgot to mention so many things. Church people would probably find the personal relationship between Sadat and HWA of interest. My asessment would be that Egypt after it left the Soviet sphere of influence was and is to this day the US largest recipient of funding. And of course we all love the lovely Texan Lisa Halaby, I mean who wouldn't. But that doesn't rule out that this friendly nation in th4 heart of the Middle East and guarding the most sacred space on earth would not exist without American aid.

    World leaders are not a random group at all. (AFTER they make their first step in the office.)

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  36. The poor girl that killed Kim Jong Un's brother this week seriously thought she was taking part in a "candid camera" game like prank show. The guy who shot the pope had no idea he was an instrument in the hands of the KGB to assassinate their main enemy undermining Poland..... Just the same, other easily influenced people might be readily convinced that they are somehow fulfilling a "mathew 24 like" commission to witness to world leaders while in reality fulfilling a purpose of a higher global consciousness. nck

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    1. Then they should be leading the way in acknowledging climate change before there is a total melt down of Arctica, although that meltdown is producing new, shorter shipping routes.

      By the way, I take exception to your usage of the phrase "our local mental case" several posts above. I'll admit that there are times when that phrase has been appropriate for others, but it is totally incorrect when applied to Black Ops Mikey.

      Also that poor girl you mentioned got the wrong Un. But, we should be careful what we wish for. Never know who is lurking in the background.

      As for the Hueys, blue skies, girls with flowers in their hair, and loud bass guitars, the only time I can recall that exact combination being present might have been some Sunday spent on Black's Beach back in the late '70s. It was a secluded, clothing optional beach, north of Malibu, and you had to climb over rock formations to get there. Whenever the US Marine Corps helicopter made a low-flying pass (it may have been a Sikorsky), you could see the Marines through the open bay door, eagerly peering at the girls through their binoculars. I believe somebody was listening to some Deep Purple on a boom box tuned to KMET.

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  37. "our local mental case" taking exception.

    BB,

    You are right about that. I don't know the person like you do. I have to go with what he writes. And at 1:55 he started calling me "crazy". Unfortunately you did not take exception with that.

    However I am willing to apologize. I am actually capable of doing that. Unlike people with certain condition.

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  38. The only thing I actually called him out upon was his mistake to say that I took advantage of a dying man. So far I have received no response on that particular issue. So I must conclude with the experts.

    https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-squeaky-wheel/201305/5-reasons-why-some-people-will-never-say-sorry

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  39. Personally, I like to have fun and to entertain and to get a little crazy once in a while, nck. It's the frustrated musician in me, the rock n roller. Douglas (Black Ops Mikey) does, too. His sense of humor is best manifested in that he posts as his cat. Some of his material is incredibly funny

    But, one thing about Mikey. While he is capable of going on the attack, or having fun (sometimes both at the same time) there is always certain logic and professionalism in his manner. He's one of the regulars whom I've never seen go mental or have a melt down.

    It's difficult sometimes to distinguish whether people with an opposing view have simply come to an opposite conclusion, or if they are in fact crazy. Most people are not crazy. Once we realize that they are actually sane and rational, then there can be reasonable discussion and understanding. Because we deal so much with the culties on these sites, mutual respect seems to be more difficult to achieve, especially in cases where one party is swimming against the established stream.
    The caregivers amongst us want to help the culties, and the people who are still hurting. We can't do that by wholesaley running anyone who disagrees with us off. It's a delicate balance, and not everyone is gifted with finesse.

    By the way, kudos on repackaging and rethinking some of your ideas. They were indigestible as you first served them up upon arrival. There has been some improvement.

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  40. Yes,
    And the monnikers don’t make it easier. I may well respect the contributions of certain Douglas, but just not apreciate those of a certain Mikey. Not knowing they are one and the same. Then again are we talking about the Douglas who was not even aware that Dr K. was one of the main players in the empire as a strategist working on founding AICF et all.
    Perhaps that happens when one deems WCG as having ended at 1974 while in my opinion it was only midpoint, for some it even was as starting point of their sojourn and others deem their journey perpetual still.
    As a matter of fact I do apreciate Mikey’s contributions at times. Especially the ones on narcissist corporates. And his call for learning I do heed. I am learning new speak like “straw man” argument. I am learning when I quote sources I get branded as a lunatic (for instance I was one of the first to quote from research on the KKK in the Willamette valey.) Later that same material was recognized as the first class research it was. But when I quoted directly from the same and even expanded the research to yale I got branded as a funny person. I am learning that when I speak of Huey helicopters some are searching fort he EXACT moment, time and place of such occurence, while others would just see it as a description of the times. It is something I feel in my gut perhaps because for some 1974 is a moment frozen in time. While others experienced and lived through the entire UN, ambassador without portfolio thing handing out 100.000 dollar grants to Philipine military.
    Also I am learning about people’s responses when confronted with what they deem “fake news.” At the former “alumni” site I was talking freely 5 years before the economic crash about my experiences with Corporate Corruption. I was treated as a leperd on that site. But I do not yield. 90% of what I say is steeped in personal experience and scientific research.
    My only problem is those that give me feedback like “crazy, or your entry is inedible” . I have said numerous times that if feedback is provided it needs to be specific. If one does not like that I call mankinds hero a communist armed rebel, please say so and I will provide all legal evidence. But perhaps criticism is solely aimed at the material I provide on HWA. Again please say so and I will provide material that the exchange of high technology, nuclear weapons, and other materials between Israel, and South Africa and Japan (not the nukes of course) exactly matches the trail of the GII and yes also Mr K later career after he left the fold.

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  41. Did HWA smuggle nuclear weapons in the GII. Of course not. Such assumption would truly trigger my downfall. I am just relating exchanges of any kind between nations to trust and friendship that needs to be earned and can only be based on a common ideology. And the protestant identification with the tribes of Israel exactly provides such trust among MANY other factors.
    But perhaps you mean that my remarks on Ronald Reagan are inedible because he so frequently spoke out against Apartheid. But I am speaking about the actions not the talk and the released policy of the time.
    Perhaps you now understand the difficulty I have with people who simply dismiss the facts as coming from a “crazy” person. If there is something of interest on the blogs that I do not understand I usually ask for a clarification of the same.

    Ok back to Mikey. I really enjoy his exposes on the narcissistic personality. As a matter of fact yesterday I was briefed on some defining moments in the life of Bashar Al Assad when Time magazine had decided to put his photo on the cover several times. This caused a profound change in character and his behavior at the time. I was immediately reminded about the time and care HWA put in the covers of the PT magazine. Especially when a world leader was placed on the cover. I believe HWA had an extreme insight into the psychology of people in power, used that insight for his personal goals, but reading the Grabbe letters it is also completely certain that he himself was easily manipulated by those exerting authority in other disciplines. And you are well aware that “those who serve, are the actual leaders.” I believe we have a “Mike Pence” scenario in the 1970’s WCG. Even Charlemagne only hailed from a family of stewarts to the Merovingians if you understand what I mean.

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  42. I did not mean by one small compliment to open the door to your entire agenda, nck. You might want to work on graciousness just a bit more.

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  44. Yes Yes.
    I don't have an agenda. Just having a conversation. I was very gracious toward Mikey, despite his foolish assumptions, for which he has not apologized. And which, by the way I don't seek .......,being a gracious person.

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  45. Look BB. To call a spade a spade. There is NOTHING in Mikey's writing that would place him amongst the caregivers. You on the other hand might have observed the past 6 months that we have not clashed on the blogs as I take your admonishemts seriously,, albeit not acting on it of course.

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